[00:00:00] Hello everybody and welcome to the Crypto Hipster podcast. This is your host, Jamil Hasan, the Crypto Hipster, where I interview founders on to ProNores, executives, thought leaders, artists You name it all over the world of crypto and blockchain and today I have another amazing guest
[00:00:18] He is actually looking really looking forward to this interview He is J.D. Seraphine, he is with the founder and CEO of Rainmaker with two eyes And I want to find out what that's all about J.D. Welcome to the show Thanks for having me Jamil
[00:00:38] You're very welcome So I'll be asking you first I'll ask you what's your background and is it a logical background for what you're doing now? I don't know what logical is and I feel like we're in Alice in Wonderland a little bit
[00:00:51] Sometimes Jamil's I don't know what logical is but what I'll say is this My passion has always been around creating a impact in the world So ever since I was you know, calling my late teens early 20s
[00:01:02] You know I was searching for how can I make max and deposit impact with my life And first I started out in the entertainment industry I focused on telling stories and using that as the medium That I would be making that impact
[00:01:16] And you know I would call myself like a true producer which means not just on the business Or financial side or creative side but kind of struggling both And I think anyone who's ever produced on the media side understands that it's very entrepreneurial nature
[00:01:28] So every single movie project, every TV project You know it's almost like its own company right? So standing it up raising the capital Running it operations, finance, legal So I actually think all the work that I did
[00:01:42] And I was a lot on the business side and finance side But again also as a producer you know I'm very creative inherently And so I think it really did prepare me to step into that role as like a founder You know as an entrepreneur
[00:01:55] And you know to me when I look at where we are, species You know we're at a critical juncture We have a finite amount of time to make an evolutionary leap And I feel like Renegade entrepreneurs are part of the key to us actually
[00:02:09] You know having the potential to do that or us Or having potential for humanity to like make this leap in this critical moment So for me once you wake up and you realize the time that we're in right now
[00:02:19] And the opportunity that exists when you use technology to make that leap That's where I was like you know coming into the blockchain space in 2017 You know seeing the potential for crypto to empower people financially Seeing the potential for you know blockchain to be
[00:02:35] This layer almost a power what I would call the solution revolution Which is again this idea that humans around the planet in a decentralized way Bepping up to face challenges that they're uniquely equipped to solve in their own
[00:02:49] You know in their own region in their own city in their own town in their own industry You know that I believe is the key to unlocking a golden age free humanity
[00:02:58] And it's not going to be all perfect. I say that since I believe we can be empowered Especially now with the combination of AI and web 3 in a way that wasn't even possible You know again 5 10 15 years ago
[00:03:09] And so that gets me excited and you know to be you know have come from a background where You know you come up in the entertainment industry It's you know, it's about as it can be about as nasty and dirty as any space on the planet
[00:03:22] So I think it's helped prepare me in some ways to just navigate some of the pitfalls of being in crypto You know I've been fortunate to connect the lot of amazing folks in the space and our industry Particularly that share that commitment to not just make money
[00:03:40] But that actually create a better world And I think everything in the rain makers about everything that I'm about at score is That's the North Star that we're driving towards in terms of the product rebuilding technology we've created And where we're driving as a company
[00:03:53] Sounds good so far I want to find out where I make her is all about and I also want to find out I thought it was a spelling error. Apparently it's not you know, so why the two eyes
[00:04:08] Well that's actually what's funny is the core of our like brand DNA So the token that we that is the utility token that runs on our protocols coin with two eyes
[00:04:19] And then brain maker twice the idea is that the two eyes represent the economic value of that peer to peer connection That's really central to the whole value proposition of what blockchain
[00:04:29] You know, and then this whole crypto and decentralization movement is about which is what is the value of our peer-to-peer connection When we transact in the digital world we transact we connect there's an inherent value
[00:04:43] And I think a lot of us a lot of founders in the space I feel we you know we've been focused on When you break it down how do you formalize this informal value of human connection that right now is being monetized and exploited by centralized companies
[00:04:58] And so the two eyes in our brand really like speaks to at the center of the core of saying, you know, how do we rewire the global economy So that we can better measure track and then democratize the distribution of the value that's connected
[00:05:13] To that you know that human to human connection to that human to human to human you know interaction or transactions So that's what the two eyes represents. That's a good question how do we rewire it?
[00:05:26] I mean, I think that's the trillion dollar question right Jim. So I think there's a lot I don't think it's about one you know I'm in terms of Blockchain infrastructure and networks like I have more of an open asset open
[00:05:41] You know open framework perspective personally like I'm not a maxie. I don't believe that it's just should be all on one layer or one network I believe that networks that are developed with specific Focus and specialization meant to solve a specific problem around again formalizing that informal value
[00:05:58] So let's just take a look at You know the sports or even fan engagement sector is one kind of vertical that we can talk about right. That's an obvious one There's all this you know informal value of people that are fans and passionate about something
[00:06:11] And they're talking about it and if you talk sports teams and we're working with a few right now That's their stuff. We haven't announced that I won't get into specifically, but there's products that we're developing
[00:06:20] It's specifically in that vertical and saying for sports and entertainment to say okay What is the value that each fans interaction kind of represents in this large rig go system? How do you quantify that?
[00:06:31] And honestly everything we're doing on the AI front it also looks at kind of with a similar really everything That's where he make her from the beginning. It has a similar
[00:06:40] Set of ingredients which is when you take identity slash reputation behave your slash data and you plug that into You know smart contracts, which are programmed and and you use machine learning to become smarter over time with more data and more
[00:06:55] Information how do you dynamically quantify the value that an individual human represents inside of any digital network environment? And so when you look at say if I engage them to come back to where I started you know every fan with those interactions that they're generating on social media
[00:07:12] They're generating in real life those all have an inherent value for the team and the team would like to be able to create that fly will affect a rewarding that fan for that value
[00:07:21] But the ability for them at scale to actually and trust trust this way actually know that this fan actually did this thing and it was worth
[00:07:29] Exxon side of their ecosystem those that infrastructure doesn't really exist at scale. So those are the kind of problems that companies are working to solve and you know rainmakers one of those
[00:07:39] You know one of those companies that's you know the front lines of you know pioneering like how do he actually solve these really hard problems around you know identity attribution data
[00:07:49] All there's there's kind of the same ingredients, but once you really dig down Jamil and go down in the rabbit hole You know that's where the real challenge lies from a technical standpoint of how do you actually accomplish it interesting So
[00:08:06] You are on that you are going to go you are down that rabbit hole right you have to create a super app right that empowers users to monetize their contributions How does that work yeah, so the the rainmaker network protocol
[00:08:22] Was we first started developing it about two and a half and I think almost three years ago now we launched test net last August We launched main nets actually last week successfully
[00:08:33] So testing that we had over 215,000 nodes on the network. So that's real users mobile laptop desktop devices Running actual deep-knit-enabled validator nodes on the network and the protocol purpose is it's focused on really a very specific Your very specific
[00:08:53] Intersection of AI and web three which is that the infrastructure to support Gailable application of web three and AI for sports gaming entertainment see the idea that we built to protocol or an infrastructure
[00:09:04] Foundation is optimized to support applications like what I was mentioning a minute ago in the like a fan engagement sector We're able to take sports fans and quantify the value there contributing not only as a fan
[00:09:20] But then to take that data and use it to train customized AI models which are either used for personalization or for business intelligence for the team That's where we take all of the kind of layers of the ingredients and put them together now the protocol itself
[00:09:33] Brain maker network protocol is the infrastructure that's powering these applications the first application that is running on the network right now at scale is the rainmaker AI super app So essentially 100,000 plus users have downloaded the app they've they're all in there right now. They're training AI models
[00:09:52] They're running on mobile deep-envalidator node they're participating in quests
[00:09:57] You know, which all of that is really like the first proving ground of this proof of concept of how do we quantify the value of each human's contribution to training AI now we go forward in the future you talk about big
[00:10:10] You know big question I mean it's that's as big as it gets right because right now they're hovering your data and my data everybody's data It's going to the chat GPT you know Gemini and fill the blank like we're all just feeding the AI
[00:10:22] Which I think there's value that I'm not one of those people that's like evil centralized corporation And I think there's a there's a reason that I believe in decentralization as a boofment, but I'm also like one of balance it against
[00:10:34] You know to get to where we are now we have to have a significant amount of centralization And we had to have you know people like Elon Musk or Jeff Bezos or people like that that stood up large companies that have helped to drive us for it now
[00:10:50] I think the next phase is about how do we now build distributed systems that empower humanity and that are much greater scale
[00:10:57] Surries up like I said in a distributed matter to solve the problems that we're facing but to come back to her original question because I went on a little tangent there The the Raymaker app itself is focused really on
[00:11:09] Quantifying the value of each user's contribution to training stable diffusion models through data labeling and human feedback So right now if you go in the app you generate art or you can use your own content you're labeling that art
[00:11:22] And then those data annotations are used to speed back to train a stable diffusion model on the Raymaker network protocol going forth
[00:11:29] They'll be other types of model training that we that we integrate into the app itself. The app users are also running a validating note on their mobile device
[00:11:40] So again, obviously there's not going to be like the compute power of like a fair mental server, you know running you know when you're running something on your phone
[00:11:48] But it's still like how do we again get into that supervised distributed you know an i model training you know on the edge of you know what could be possible One I use your mobile device. So that's the first application like I said 100,000 plus downloads iOS Google play
[00:12:04] You know the user acquisition on the app itself is is is hockey sticking right now, which is nice And that's really you know the first application it's not like again I want to bring it back to understand that we built a protocol the protocol is live
[00:12:20] The coin token is the utility token of that protocol and that's something that we spent years architecting So my CTO is former Disney you built Disney's private blockchain You built another protocol after that, you know, I'm not uniquely equipped to architect a
[00:12:35] You know a blockchain protocol from a technical standpoint I am uniquely equipped with an entrepreneur to go out and do the rest of what it takes to actually stand up and have the vision to run and lead you know the business
[00:12:46] So very cool last talk about there I want to add I want to talk about something that I wasn't planning on talking about first You guys are involved and I haven't been it's been a few 24s and so I've had a conversation about NFTs
[00:13:06] That was mostly it's 2022 thing I miss it you know you guys do NFTs So at least from what I saw on your website you do so I want to find out what the status of the NFTs are and how you're getting content creators
[00:13:23] Back involved because NFTs died off 99% died off right so what if I know what the with that looks like Well, it's interesting the what's cool is as you're generating art in the application you're able to mint it as an NFT
[00:13:40] Which is really more about just you on chain having that you know your own art that you created and it is yours and you own it
[00:13:47] It's not you know, is there a future where that goes into a marketplace for resale maybe but I mean to be honest to me
[00:13:53] It's like you know with AI generative art being something that's ubiquitous as it is like I don't necessarily feel that that's where we're focused doesn't mean there isn't a value there
[00:14:03] It's more about like hey you have the ability to take this unique piece of content that you created using you know you and AI essentially like collaborated on
[00:14:11] And then mint it as an NFT that you know you that you have on the you know on the network and on your your application and your in your wallet
[00:14:18] So I think that's that's the extent of on the upside we are doing stuff around you know more utility focused application of NFTs on multiple kind of layers of the protocol
[00:14:29] Which I've always been very bullish on and whenever I've talked to folks whether it was in you know in our industry or even in other like kind of these more massive adoption industries that we have relationships and explain it and that look
[00:14:40] The NFT the PFP application of the NFT which is that kind of more community driven content art driven application was cool because it definitely demonstrated some Some things I think that were important, but it's actually like the most limited kind of one dimensional use of the technology
[00:14:57] When you look at a non fungible token and how it can operate in an networking environment and what can empower
[00:15:02] Especially around used right entity in behavior which is again for our protocol like at the center of the architecture with Ramek or network is again taking each human's identity slash reputation of behavior
[00:15:15] And that everything we've architected is really about the individual user so there's NFTs that are that are at play in the utility standpoint you know more than that soulbound You know a type of application
[00:15:27] In terms of how will the architect the network itself so we're utilizing NFTs there we are going to do actually
[00:15:33] We are having announced it and I'm supposedly not supposed to announce stuff here before we announce it publicly, but there may be some sort of an NFT drop relative to Ramek or network
[00:15:44] That's coming soon that has utility and maybe increases the earning power for validators in that work I mean if you see something you know, I wasn't supposed to we're going to say it here first on your show So there you go. Thank you
[00:15:57] Thank you, and I'm not going to ask you the details away till that comes out then I'll bring you back talk about how it went Yeah, very cool
[00:16:05] So I want to talk about people are building using your model he'll building or you know an developing on AI so the key is they need to do it
[00:16:14] I believe ethically, right? What is ethical AI development and how is that achieved because you could have many actors at many different backgrounds or some of them might be Might be on the up and up. I mean look when you talk about AI and ethics
[00:16:34] I mean there's a lot of rabbit holes there that go down
[00:16:38] We could go a lot of directions with that. I think for us our focus is we believe that the best version of the future and the best AI that we can develop is going to have as much humanity program to into it as possible
[00:16:54] So how do we facilitate A as much human agency as possible as it relates to utilizing AI to empower the individual human
[00:17:01] I think that's number one, possibly the number one priority. I believe that AI is this potential like I said to really power like a whole renna sense for humanity
[00:17:12] We haven't even seen it in our lifetimes. I don't think we've seen it in the thousand two thousand maybe even in human in our human history I don't think we've seen the potential but like we have at this moment
[00:17:22] I know there's a lot of crazy stuff happening between politics and war and you know client but change and it's like everywhere you look you could literally just put your head in the sand and say
[00:17:31] This looks like it's not going to turn out good. I unfortunately, unfortunately, I carry the energy that we are going to turn this thing around and we are going to use AI as part as a key piece or a key tool
[00:17:43] That's going to empower the individual human to be able to level up their game and what they're contributing and I think everything that we're engineering at Rainmaker specifically
[00:17:51] I can't speak to you know what open AI is doing or apples doing or Gemini like because it's not Ives your control over that and neither do you
[00:18:00] What we can look at is where the companies are working to with the right ethical stance and the right approach to build AI technologies and systems, you know, are utilizing a high-zeutual rather inside of the technologies systems and products are developing to empower the individual human
[00:18:19] So basically program AI with more humanity so that we don't have like the term in here to sky net, you know it's going to blow us up
[00:18:26] And I think that's a real thing. It's like great wait like at some point we know that the it will be so advanced that it's ability to do cross process certain things is going to exceed humanity is it already is right
[00:18:40] That's not even a question if that will be the case the question is can we a program it with enough humanity so that hopefully the best of what we have meaning like that
[00:18:49] The ability to have love and empathy and things that I think separate us from you know from other from other types of mammals on this planet not that none of it
[00:18:59] But I think one of those things that the best of humanity how can we program with that number one or number two how can we leverage it as a tool
[00:19:07] To empower humanity going forward. I mean to me, that's that's the most important thing. I can't speak to you know what Sam Altman is going to do or what you know
[00:19:15] Elon or your base those are these guys are going to do. I think generally I don't think they're evil guys. I mean, I think there's whenever you get into raising a lot of capital and doing you know
[00:19:25] Playing the game at the level they are I think there becomes a lot of different factors that start to influence decisions and for us what's we have the advantage to say look our door star is literally like how do we create a golden age for humanity how do we build an AI so that it actually is helping to empower that outcome and everything else to secondary
[00:19:44] Like to us like look if I want to just be and I know you're on Wall Street for you know a good amount of your career just in terms of reading your background it's like if we wanted to just make money was beyond Wall Street right because that's what they're doing there they just focus on making money
[00:19:57] But we're actually here because we're interested to be playing here is like building the new world it's already being built it's not a question of like is this world going to be built or not it's like no it's already happening. We're already there already standing in that new world now we can look over in the old world and we can see that it's crumbling and collapsing and there's chaos and there's war
[00:20:14] We can look forward to say look the good news is that we're building a better world. We actually already are the question is can we build it fast enough so that as that world collapses
[00:20:24] We already have the new world that we can move people into and say look there's a new dimension of reality that you can exist in right now today you can move into it right now that's to me like the focus I like the way you put that yeah I I
[00:20:40] Was into all world moving into the new I shouldn't here we've been enjoying 2017 so and It's been it's been a while we've ride so far, but I love it. So
[00:20:54] Creative industries so I want to talk about a little bit more you know AIs going to have a role in creative industries We are so see it you already working in it right and that new future you know What is that new future having store for creatives
[00:21:10] Who are working on Wall Street now who should be here instead? You know and will there be a need for I guess has second question, but you know a fairly trained AI whatever that means well
[00:21:25] The first question it's funny. I'm actually reminded of I had a business partner many years ago It was a former executive director at Goldman Sachs and he worked on
[00:21:36] They had a trading system that was the gold standard when the whole meltdown happened in 2008 and I think that everybody
[00:21:43] When everything collapsed Goldman everybody looked at what Goldman had built and that was standard a good friend of mine helped to architect that project and one point though he was looking
[00:21:53] He was studying a lot about the core of just existence and became very spiritual and he looked at music and he Realized that essentially like that that that was it like and so he literally left Goldman Sachs and he went into
[00:22:07] Making music and so there's something to be said about you know just in terms of your question about people on Wall Street She'd be in that creative world and it's like everything was frequency and everything is energy and this is scientific
[00:22:18] It's not just like whoa whoa yeah, I live in California and I am definitely a bit woo There's no question about that. I'm wearing a freaking cowboy hat with a bandana right so we know that but if you break it down
[00:22:28] Scientifically everything is frequency and everything is energy and so we understand that it's like okay Well as humans like what what can we do? That's greater than actually going and creating stuff that actually that affects the frequency and energy of the planet
[00:22:44] And that has to do with consciousness and I know this is like going down a total rabbit hole, but it's like you know You look at the you know how do we affect consciousness that you manage how do we affect the collective consciousness
[00:22:54] And I think the arts you know we look at music we look at film We look at television we look at gaming like these are the things that you know that I think really have the potential on a mass level To affect the consciousness of humanity so
[00:23:07] Going forward and looking at how can AI now as as an enabler as a tool Be able to empower like People in the and I I still want to meet your company. We still have projects in that sector It's not is much where I spend I spend
[00:23:21] 99% of my time and Ray maker and you know in tech now But I we still do have a few projects that we're doing and that we're passionate about we're still passionate about telling stories
[00:23:31] But so many people in that industry and my you know my I would say my former industry, but my other industry that I've been Are very scared right now They're very scared they look at AI and they're just they're they're frightened and to me
[00:23:43] What I'm like look guys the reality is the The genie is out of the bottle There's no going back
[00:23:50] So what you have to do is you have to say how can this be used as a tool to empower me as an individual instead of saying all I don't have my job like
[00:23:58] You know carrying you know carrying stuff around as a grip and setting up this and this and it's like no But if you wanted to create stories and tell stories like you can use AI now and be able to you know
[00:24:09] And pretty soon you'll be able to make a two hour movie that's as good as something that could have been produced for 75 million dollars by a studio and you'll be able to do with a prompt
[00:24:19] You know or with a script that is actually just generating it right and so I am excited about that future I think it's scary and it's hard because there's got to be a transitional period But like that's the nature of evolution
[00:24:30] They're like we're not meant to be cogs in a wheel as humans We are inherently creators. I think each one of us is endowed with that power as the creator and I'm not religious
[00:24:40] But I'm saying I believe that we all have that inside of us and so I think AI has a potential to unlock that I think is there going to be a transitional period? Is there gonna be some some struggles some stripes and diversity?
[00:24:51] Absolutely a hundred percent but at the same time I think on the other side of that is the potential for that golden age where humans You know creative potential is actually brought out to the fullest like maximum degree
[00:25:07] You actually one other part you have to know one other part about how do you train a fair model I mean, I think there's something to be said. I mean look I think that there's you look at where is those that
[00:25:16] Confluence of Web3 and AI and where they actually have utility that really makes sense So that's the something that we talk about a lot like we're not just saying like you know AI blockchain to like rewrite some side of sort of hype wave
[00:25:27] But it's like where is the actual real synergy between AI and Web3 where does one complement the other and vice versa I think when you look at model training and understanding that the quality of the model is a hundred percent
[00:25:39] dictated by the quality of the data that's used to train it and so when you understand You know data and data out in the ability for blockchain to to basically monitor and amutively
[00:25:50] Have a record of states that exists for a model. So let's just say we train a model with a bunch of your podcasts
[00:25:55] And they're your podcasts and this is your model, right? This is Jamil's podcast model like if somebody wants to use that model to generate an AI version of a podcast
[00:26:05] Then the blockchain would have be able to have a record of that and maybe if there's some sort of Compensation that fractionally should come back to you because you train a model with all this content that was your content
[00:26:15] I think that's where there could there could be a application or use and this kind of transitional period as removing you know because again You know the way that deals have been struck with unions and studios and whatnot
[00:26:25] There's going to be a transitional period to get to a place where you know AI does you know fully I think take over you know the many facets of the process that it's going to take over just because it
[00:26:35] Haryleigh it should because it's it's more efficient and can produce a higher quality result But I think that in that transition so that it's about saying okay if we're gonna train a model with
[00:26:45] You know all the screen plays of this writer or we're gonna train a model with all of the works of this Director or this you know fill in the blank
[00:26:53] You know is there a world where you know blockchain could help to be that that you know that layer that Unable settlement layer that ensures that if someone's gonna come and they're gonna leverage that model
[00:27:02] Then whoever contributed to that bottle should be compensated fairly, you know for it being you know You used to generate this new piece of Art of this new piece of content so I think that we're going into a world where we absolutely should and have that
[00:27:17] Especially I mean my father's in position he was a drummer of you heard of a band called Chicago, but He was the He was the drummer of the band Chicago, so it's like going forward with music, you know It's kind of like taking what happened with sampling
[00:27:31] You know which which fortunately artists were able to still make money as that was happening with electronic music and whatever And it's like taking that on steroids imagine people are gonna be generating
[00:27:40] You know music which is a I was people are creating some amazing stuff so far like really cool And I don't think we should like stop that but if they're gonna use You know existing musicians work
[00:27:53] Then there should be some way to like compensate those those folks that created the urge or Which I think you should want to like you should want to take Jimmy Hendrix, you know the beauty that is Jimmy
[00:28:02] Henrks guitar work where another feeling of the Blake musician and be able to impubo model with that and then be able to have that in form Like imagine like you know the
[00:28:11] The majesty of the music that could be created when you're think about all of the grades and being able to Emerge them into one like super AI to create the most amazing music anyone's ever heard to me that sounds beautiful
[00:28:23] But then also the people that will create the original stuff you got to make sure they're compensated on some level Right here in some way and I think that's where you know that we talk about training fair AI
[00:28:31] I think we have to go you know go down that down that path in terms of like thought process I was gonna ask this question, but now I have to And then the July you know going I'm going to
[00:28:46] The earth windifier and Chicago concert in bridge port Connecticut Is your is your father gonna be you know on tour or with with on that tour? No, so he was the founder and original drummer. He left the band in 1991 Some from like 67 to 91 so all the hits
[00:29:05] You know he was there, but he still tours he has a current band called CTA he tours with which If you're on the East Coast, I'll let you know because they're they're amazing
[00:29:15] They play a loud Chicago stuff and other stuff and he plays a lot with like Robbie Krieger from the doors and Yeah, he's pops his pops his a he's an easy cool guy. He's real down to earth
[00:29:26] You ever in LA hair he's actually in Vegas. You know we can link you guys up he's Yeah, he's a that was very fortunate to have him as a dad so Very cool very cool. So let's talk about this concept that you brought up earlier
[00:29:39] That I'm pretty intrigued about because you said in our lifetime We never lived through the Renaissance. I think the Renaissance was like in as well hundreds or 1300s and that's not good in history right
[00:29:51] I would love to see a new Renaissance right so to get the the wider adoption of a I to create that you know and and blotching and great that Renaissance What do you think the keys of the castle are going to be
[00:30:04] With the intersection of the two with the stand how do you think that's gonna play out and what do you start happening? What are us first to have that Renaissance?
[00:30:12] Well, I mean, I think if you kind of take them individually and look at them for a second like AI gives us the ability to create You know what's anything that we want whether it's creative even software to tomorrow
[00:30:24] Jim and all you're like I want to basically build an app that does this. I mean you can freaking go And AI can get you pretty far down the field even if you didn't have any coding ability right so the ability for the individual human to create
[00:30:35] Whatever it is that dream that you know, I'm one of those people that my belief has always been that each one of us has a divine spark inside of us
[00:30:44] And once we get off of the bottom of what we call mass those hierarchy of needs right so you get down out of like What am I gonna eat am I safe? Where am I sleeping tonight and you get up to like okay
[00:30:56] That's all thing curve like now why am I here that self actualization at the top like I am this now? It's like okay, I am building the blank now. I want to create this and give it to the world
[00:31:07] I believe that's how we create heaven on earth as we get as much of humanity as possible to that place actually creating what they're heard of create that's how we build the new world and that's really what's not it's not Jeff phasos being like one man
[00:31:19] Army here. I created the new world guys, you know sponsor by Amazon. That's not the answer The answer is like you know billions of humans across the planet Co-creating and new world together and so AI I think is one component now when you look at blockchain
[00:31:31] You look at cryptocurrency we're talking about global You know currency that can empower like half the planet is not still not on the old banking system They're still not like banked
[00:31:42] I mean then if you go back to the origin as the whole boobin around crypto and blockchain it was really about like
[00:31:47] You know banking the unbanked was one of those things it was like hey our responsibility is to take half the planet that's on the sidelines and to bring them into the game
[00:31:56] And I and I'm a believer that when you can do those two things which is a power that other half of the plan with the tools to create Whatever it is they want to create with AI and have the financial capability to actually not be
[00:32:06] Mired in this like where am I getting a handful of rice and I'm not even in the global economy? I mean, I think that's the recipe for the reticents that together right there That sounds good and it's achievable too
[00:32:21] So yeah, I mean it's not gonna be perfect look. I mean Jamil is not like we don't wave a magic wand and this isn't a Disney movie and Tinker Bell is just gonna make it happen
[00:32:30] But I walk around like the energy that I choose to carry is as if it's already happened I don't walk around like all the world is the world I don't want to swear on your podcast for the world is
[00:32:40] F-dup or whatever and we can't do anything about it It's really hard for you not to swear by the way Jamil's to the fact that I've restrained myself as a I That's a big win for today, but the
[00:32:49] You know, but that's I walk around and I carry the energy like this is already done like we've already were building the new world people like you people like me You know people in our collective industry
[00:32:59] The good ones especially like we're already doing it. It's not a question of if it's gonna happen it already is And so I think that's the you know hopefully that there's enough of us that you know that carry that frequency that that's the world that that we create
[00:33:13] Awesome and it's perfectly fine this where I'm my podcast. So I want to thank oh yeah, I really enjoy this conversation. I I want to thank you very much for speaking with me today and I love the vision of that world
[00:33:34] So it's pretty cool so I want that question It's easy How could people find out more information about you about rainmaker I can they start to use you know your your apps How can they get involved how to do that?
[00:33:49] Yeah, so the kind of rainmaker.com with two eyes You'll be able to get plenty of information there You can join us about data right now and there's a link on the website
[00:34:01] But a coin dot AI is where folks are deploying their or creating their validator note accounts Which anyone in the world with a computer You know desktop or laptop computer can run up a validator note on coin dot AI super easy
[00:34:16] Anyone can do it also you can download the rainmaker app on iOS to replay and on there You're able to burn various cryptocurrencies for training AI and you're also able to run a deep
[00:34:28] PIN validator note on your mobile device so any mobile device on the planet you can you know actually participate in this decentralized AI revolution with rainmaker there follow us on x rain may at rainmaker app
[00:34:40] There's also discord in the usual but you should be able to find all that through the website I think that's the best place to start your journey, you know into the into the rainmaker universe Awesome, thank you very much for time today. Yeah, thank you Jamil