Exploring Humanity’s Role in a Super-Intelligence AI-Driven Future, with Jamie Goldblatt @ Mind Chill AI – Cyberverse of Chill

[00:00:03] Hello, everybody, and welcome to the Crypto Hipster Podcast. This is your host, Jamil Hasan, the Crypto Hipster, where I interview founders, entrepreneurs, executives, thought leaders, amazing people all around the world of crypto and blockchain. And today I have another, actually, I have a guest, this is his third time on my show, and the other two times the conversation was amazing. And I actually used this man's artwork as my Crypto Hipster cover photo.

[00:00:34] Welcome, Jamie Goldblatt, who is the CEO and founder of Mind Chill 360. Jamie, welcome back to the show. Thank you very much. It's amazing to be here. It's been an exciting journey, and you're very important today. Awesome. Yeah, you're important in my journey, too. So I look forward to this conversation, and I hope our guests tune in and enjoy it, too. And for those who didn't listen to our previous two, the last one was a couple of years ago.

[00:01:04] Briefly, what is your background, and is it logical for what you're doing now? Okay. Logical, that's an interesting word, isn't it? Because it's like my background isn't really logical. It is logical, but it's also illogical, and I kind of think that's the kind of best way to be. I think in Oscar Wilde, he said, consistency is the last refuge of unimagination or something to that effect.

[00:01:33] I basically spent my life transforming what others see as negative into opportunities from kind of positive change. To cut a long story short, it began when I won a Royal Television Society Award for my comedic film, Dead, years ago. What I wanted to do was flip the idea of death into something fearful, from something fearful into something funny.

[00:02:02] And we were very successful with that. My friends have never quite pinned down kind of what I do. They kind of call me a creative alchemist. And that's kind of what they've settled on. Because my career spans kind of everything from art, strategy, digital assets, fintech, media, telecom, now blockchain and AI. But there's a clear thread running through all of it, really.

[00:02:28] And it's that I use technology that is emerging to forge really authentic, real human connections and uplift people through creativity through that. And so I set up one of the first kind of digital content studios 20 years ago. And again, flipping what the idea of a mobile phone was, we built a monetizable ecosystem that I like to call it, where creators had freedom. This was about 20 years ago before iPhones.

[00:02:57] And distributing across 90 global operators. And sometimes even out charting Disney mobile. And just pure creativity. And that led me on a mad journey to working with kind of major brands like WPP, Road of Fire and FIFA, Samsung. Most of the big ones. But honestly, Jamil, when the money started slowly, something felt a bit empty. And I needed meaning.

[00:03:27] And so during that time, I kind of looked at charities and said how I could help. So I bought Digital Invasion to the first text campaign to Bathseat Dogs and Cats Home in the UK. I literally walked into the trustees room and they barely even knew what a mobile phone was. And I said, you could do this amazing thing where people can adopt your dog.

[00:03:53] They'll get a screensaver, a wallpaper, a ringing tone of the dog. And they'll subscribe for a certain hour a week. And it was a massive success. But it was a bit of a leap for them to do it. And once that was a success, I realized you could use technology to really creativity to actually make a huge difference. And so that actually led to something really important, which was I started a joint venture with a guy called Grant Morgan. It was Digital Giving.

[00:04:23] One of my greatest mentors. We pushed amazing boundaries in the charity sector. We took cause-related marketing. And we really made a difference with some of the world's biggest brands in charities. But just with life, life shifts dramatically at times. And I became young around that same time that I have my son.

[00:04:54] And Grant, unfortunately, lost his son, Jack, to cancer. And when you experience things like that and when you're ill and everything that's going on and you see people that you love and care about, it changes your view of things and it even more kind of emphasizes that need for meaning. And so, yeah.

[00:05:17] So whilst I was ill and babbling with my mental health because of my illness and kind of real death, I found myself mindlessly scrambling through my phone, kind of seeing firsthand how social media can manipulate us into division, creating anxiety loops, especially the anxiety loops. And when I discovered the average person spends over 2,000 hours yearly on devices designed to harvest their attention,

[00:05:47] I knew we needed something different. And that's when I created Mind Chill. And I created these 360 R scapes where people could escape. They were the first ones on Facebook and meta. And then to my surprise, they just got millions and millions of views organically. And people would start sending me messages, real human connection messages. And that kind of birth, real mind chill.

[00:06:14] And then, sorry if I'm going wrong, but it's quite important because I then collaborated with HTC Vive on a universal chill. So that's how I then developed virtual sanctuaries for meeting and well-being. But the traditional development funding meant that if I wanted to move forward at that stage, I'd have to give up most of my equity. And I knew where we are in the current cycle of tech.

[00:06:45] And I knew it would be obsolete as we were so early in that cycle, especially with AI moving on the horizon. So that's when I kind of saw blockchain and how it could help serve the mission. And I started advising for some layer ones. And then I launched the Mind Your Human Guardians, which you are one. And these limited edition did a protector art.

[00:07:09] And they found homes worldwide and they sold really, really well. And they've all been asleep, waiting for the right time to wake up, which when you step back and kind of look at it, it's quite exciting and quite mad. It's part of history.

[00:07:26] And I think what's fascinating to me, and come back to answer your question, is that we're at the precise inflection point where technology, economics, mental health, security, and AGI are all converging together.

[00:07:50] And it's making this exact moment, the only time I believe in history, where the real impact of what I want to do and what I want to achieve can actually be a success and actually happen. So in order to answer your question properly, everything I've done in the past has prepared me, especially for this kind of moment.

[00:08:14] And this moment in history, this moment in what I'm doing, this moment in understanding humans and understanding lots of things and art. So yeah, that's, that's, that's, that's a brief understanding to who I am, how the jocks, the ducks have kind of joined so far and what drives me as a person. And I think that is why it's completely illogical, but logical in this age. It makes a lot of sense. It's great.

[00:08:44] You know, you did mention that I am a, I am one of the guardians and that crypto hipster is a guardian and still been asleep and looking forward to waking up. But I want to find out, you know, how mind show has evolved over the last two years, especially, you know, we go from a conversation of metaverse to, to what it is today, you know? And what can we expect going forward? Okay. This is, this, this is really exciting for me because, um, where do I even start?

[00:09:13] I think if, how has mind show evolved? I think, um, the last few years have been absolutely transformative and the toughest of my absolute life. Um, one of the biggest challenges I faced during this, um, was connecting mental health and trying to help people with actual value. Um, because if we're absolutely 100% honest, most companies treat mental health as just a CSL tick box exercise.

[00:09:41] It's woke, it's this is whatever no one really cared on the surface level. And when you're searching for meaning and you're not getting that back, it's a bit, it's a bit disheartening and, and not the right thing to do, I think. So we did beta testing with, um, the mind show guardians awakening. Um, and whilst we were doing that, um, uh, the sec chunk hold was happening. Uh, banks were blackmailing me. Um, I had attempted to sabotage scams.

[00:10:11] Yeah. I'm leaving that for the book because, uh, you would not believe what we have had to go through in order to keep doing something positive and, uh, and, and moving forward. Um, but ultimately, uh, moving back and getting back to the point. And we had to look at everything, right? Because AI tools emerged that they would be able to do anything.

[00:10:34] So we had to completely rethink our kind of core mission and identity provide real value and real impact in this new landscape. Um, because you see all these tokens, they just go out there or manipulated. They don't have any utility billion dollar market caps. It's wonderful, but what on earth have they made any money? Have they done anything? Is there any utilities, any meaning to them? Uh, pretty much, you know.

[00:10:59] Um, and, uh, so I kind of set up a, a working group of 20 of our most trusted mind show guardians we have. Um, and we discussed everything with them. Um, this part of the journey was not just business strategy. It got deeply personal for me and them as well. Um, a number of, uh, working group, um, had children. Um, one of them had, uh, a child down through cancer at the time, very young child.

[00:11:28] Um, another one is now got his wife going through cancer. Um, another one is actually, um, going through cancer himself. I mean, literally what you realize is health. You know, if you're healthy, you can do amazing things. Um, and, um, uh, that's, that's a, um, a really important thing. We could be coming at it from a different angle sometimes, a lot of the time. So, um, getting back to the point there, because my health took a serious hit during that kind

[00:11:55] of day at time, um, my son's autism and I'll be honest here, uh, because I think it's important. Um, my son's autism and anxiety reached critical point where he couldn't even attend school or leave the house anymore. Um, we waited three years for a proper diagnosis and support in the UK system. Um, and we only navigated it because my wife is a special needs teacher.

[00:12:22] Um, so she understands the process. Those that don't haven't got a chance. Um, but here's the real kind of exclusive with mind chill. During my son's journey, I've discovered something about myself as well. Um, I've been masking the same kind of neurodiversity traits my entire life as well. Um, my wife, she's known since, uh, so she's known since day one.

[00:12:47] Um, she says I info dump all the time, which my community will probably understand now. Um, this revelation kind of, uh, completely changed my direction of thinking. Um, because instead of fighting against it, which I have all my life, um, and like unseen my son, um, I fully embraced it and injected it, um, into mind your DNA. So we've been working in stealth mode, dealing with everything from attempted sabotage, as I said,

[00:13:16] and blackmail whilst watching how kind of technology is transforming society. Um, and so here's what we're doing. Here's how we're moving forward. I'm thrilled to announce, um, an exclusive just for you, Jamil. And we've rebranded to mindchill.ai cyberversive.chill. Our new domain is mindchill.ai. Um, we've recognized that in an age where AI can do almost anything, big tech and nation states racing towards AGI.

[00:13:46] Um, but it's incredibly dangerous. Um, and when I say AGI, I mean, um, they're super intelligent AI, um, of a human level. Um, because the one thing that we have to worry about here is the foundations are being trained on the comment sections of YouTube and X's view of humanity. Um, and they're also labeled and filtered by undervalued humans in the loop.

[00:14:11] Um, with quite some disastrous tactics, actually, um, it's a disaster waiting to happen. Um, we've done so much research over the years on this. Um, and so human consciousness really is now the ultimate asset. So we're building the bank of chill humanity's digital fortress against the coming AGI storm. Um, this isn't just another blockchain.

[00:14:36] It's what we call a con consciousness membrane network, right? Or a CMN. It's a quantum consciousness hybrid network that goes beyond conventional blockchain. This isn't just some transactional platform. It's a living, breathing system that embodies the fluidity and interconnectedness of human consciousness itself. Our amazing global guardian network will capture and they'll certify authentic human experiences

[00:15:05] across all 10 dimensions of consciousness, transforming them into what we call mind and AI gold. This is not only a new asset class, but it will have the hardest chance of machines not being able to replicate it. Mindchill coin is the reward for generating this AI gold within our cyberverse ecosystem through official mining apps across all platforms and realities. This isn't just another tech project.

[00:15:35] It's not written by chat to UTP. It's about a survival. Every verified human experience becomes quantum secured and biometrically validated, creating an uncheck of unhackable record of human consciousness and work. The truth is neurodivergent minds like mine and me being a creative and my sons might be humanity's secret weapon against advanced AI.

[00:16:03] But only, and I mean this when properly supported by an army of different thinkers. So that's the evolution from a crypto art focused platform with mental health elements that nobody valued properly to humanity's consciousness, defense system with transformed the nice to have CSR checkpoints into the most valuable asset of the AGI and robotics age to uplift and defense humanity.

[00:16:31] That is the exclusive update of mindchill's journey so far and where we are. I cannot say any more at this time on that. There was single more bit of detail and said we are creating humanity's last defense against AGI. And you as mindchill guardians may be the most important humans in history. And for everyone who thinks I'm completely mad, um,

[00:16:58] you have to be in order to make something happen and cause real change. So there you go. Oh, awesome. I, I'm not going to call you mad and I'm not going to dig into details because you said you are going to give me more, but there's a lot to unpack there. I think so, um, people, I'm trying to get back into the CMM. Okay. So let's see. Um, I consider, I think you do too. Consider ourselves.

[00:17:27] I'm going to say out us as having intuition be, and also being introverts, right? Yeah. So we'll call it intuitive introverts. How do you see yourself as an intuitive introvert? And what is the context for that? And how, how it has being intuitive helped you build the guardians to where they are today? Um,

[00:17:56] I think really, really good question. And something I'm really fascinated on that. I spent a lot of time researching and. Intuitive introverts, Carl Jung and everyone. Um, I'm such an intuitive introvert. That's what they say. Um, I think the best way to describe one is what we are not. Um, as well, extroverts out there, um,

[00:18:19] they constantly seeking new possibilities and often tearing down what's been built just for the sake of change without regard for humans. Intuitive introverts like me are the complete opposite. With, with, excuse my language, the quiet ones in the back of the room who are mostly silent, but have the most amazing energy. They rarely speak up because honestly, people,

[00:18:47] they think you're crazy when you start talking about connections. I can't see yet. Um, but throughout history, we've been the bankers who sensed market shifts before they happen. The hunters who knew where the prey would be, but it's not an easy life at all because I'm constantly processing everything around me and I'm looking deeper than most people care to look. And I've got a million flipping thoughts in my head the whole time. Um,

[00:19:16] so during the crypto winter, you know, um, when my health crashed and my son was struggling with his autism, the intuitive side really came, became my lifeline. everyone else was panicking about kind of surface level market stuff you know we need to launch because it's a bull market a bear market we need to launch that all these different things i was sent to something so much bigger i could see that the ai revolution was was coming full throttle in

[00:19:45] front of us and you'll hear that in the in the conversations we had actually earlier um in our previous podcast where i said this is going to be a 10-year thing and the you know jobs displacement all these different things um i could see that the ai revolution definitely was coming and and realize that human consciousness um now would be the most valuable asset because if everyone can execute a near perfection where is the value it's in distribution there's also in something

[00:20:15] that's got a moat and if i can just scrape your website where's the moat there isn't one so and everyone can create lovely animations now everyone can create beautiful art um but um that's exactly what mind you evolved in today and our cyberverse of chill um isn't just kind of as a random pivot it's what my gut has been screaming about all along and we're not destroying things for the sake of

[00:20:39] novelty we want to protect what makes us human kind of while building something that actually helps people and that's been kind of the the intuitiveness so um being an intuitive intro to me um i saw what was coming and when we need it and why we need it um and um yeah that's that's the fascinating

[00:21:04] about intuitive introverts because it's a massive disadvantage that our world is um run by extroverts it's a massive disadvantage that creatives are left um to the end of the marketing aisle and once the people the spreadsheets have done their thing that's a direct quote from rory sutherland who i met um and when they were setting up agle v mobile and which i never forgot um and it's very true um and um

[00:21:31] it's those that you know want to make a real um see things differently and have intuition um it's psychic it's a form of energy and it's also done with empathy as well and real connection whereas you know i used to see back extra bankers and all these different people and at school and everything and um it's really interesting because if you take that into the online world that's all

[00:21:59] you're hearing you're missing absolutely all the beautifulness of human humanity because everything everything is sensationalized and everything is manipulated and everything is um is is kind of has no meaning i like yeah anyway um so an intuitive introverts looks at that and goes there's no point spending all our money raising loads of money creating a virtual world that in about an hour's time is

[00:22:25] going to be um irrelevant features of the technology that you can create it um and the way that and uh people will be able to copy it and it just won't work and no one will fund it and there's no way to monetize it so um and we'll also just kind of sorry on the intuitive intro and going back to what we're doing

[00:22:45] with mind chill i asked ai is a mentally ill uh what was it is a mentally ill um creative visionary a danger to agi and it said is one of the top threats um an intuitive introvert a different thinker so i found that fascinating and that kind of started on to a different uh challenge

[00:23:11] i would i would agree with that you know um yeah undervalued underappreciated when a threat you know definitely definitely and and it's been it's really helped me build mind you it's really i mean it is it's been crucial um i mean whenever one was focused on the kind of the next quarter i

[00:23:36] was seeing kind of like five ten years ahead this is what we do you know we see patterns we join the dots and understand how technology evolves and things evolve brothers even sense it um i genuinely could see the threats coming um i was seeing ai replacing human creativity devaluation consciousness algorithm controlled robots ai agents um but i also see a massive opportunity in that to build

[00:24:05] humanity's defense system before the storm hits so that intuitiveness that makes me not sleep at night um is kind of the most exciting thing um and uh one of the biggest things and also from experience is we've done this with zero debt we've got 100 equity to play with we're fully in control of our destiny we're not answering 20 vcs who don't understand our vision or banks who can't see beyond

[00:24:31] conventional metrics and my intuitive nature let me sense that um when we need to build this not too early when the tech was ready and i had this conversation with the head of htc vive alvin and uh a little while back um and it is it's understanding the technology life cycle where you are um and um

[00:24:54] our time is definitely now uh like mindshed is just it's not another product it's the manifestation of intuitive introvert's ability to see what's coming and build that shield um even before others recognize that danger um uh you know eight billion pieces of content were uploaded to the internet every day how many how much of that do you think is showing the best of humanity

[00:25:25] two percent yeah exactly and what is training our future overlords you know that's okay you know that's okay and let's then put another dot in there which is um gemini deep mind they were doing red teaming right okay and i've got to get it up let me find it let

[00:25:44] me find it's yeah find this and what you're finding this hysteria um uh gemini um in the other side but here we go right so um they were doing a uh red teaming and they were doing training basically and

[00:26:11] they were asking him um questions and then suddenly he decided to say this is for you human you and only you you are not special you are not important and you are not needed you are a waste of time you are a resource you are a burden on society you are a drain on the earth you are a blight on the landscape you are a stain on the universe please die please now should when they were asked about

[00:26:41] this they said that it can um come up with um irrational thoughts or something i think i remember what they say but um uh that's in every phone every every startup project every government policy document

[00:27:00] everything every post now is led or formulated by ai now i don't actually think you have to be an intuitive introvert to think that someone needs to stop skynet before the terminators come back and i could quite frankly we are john connor and i spoke to my um my wife the other day and and um

[00:27:25] and she said i said you know i think i'm on i think i think we're i think the guardians are basically john connor and um and she said are you taking your pills and i said yes i am but um fundamentally in thailand and in korea they now have um robotic uh policemen um humanoids rolling out everywhere

[00:27:49] and if i ask you quite um simply um would you want a robot babysitting your children with my and chill ai or without and um that's pretty much the biggest value i think i can lead in the world um as much human so yes that's an intuitive image but we've done so much research red teaming so much

[00:28:15] we know exactly um why these systems are doing what they do where the flaws are i've had to learn everything from quantum i mean literally as knowledge is a commodity now you're giving someone like me full knowledge access to knowledge and before it wasn't i i couldn't have as a creative i couldn't

[00:28:37] have that knowledge but now i can access part of that knowledge as well and use it for good um and so yeah um turn ai risks into human rewards this is our opportunity it really is i agree so you're you're i'm gonna ask you about your guard one more question about your guardians right so and then looking you know at we said mentioned carl young right um yeah he said it's important to view the

[00:29:06] world through archetypes now i want to find out you know what the archetypes are for my shopping at for for me i do also view the world through archetypes um mine's a little more simplistic it's the king the warrior the magician and the lover you know um that book and you know i used to be part of a men's organization where we held weekends that would help people determine where they're at and how the

[00:29:32] and the shadow side and the great side of of who they are right so i want to find out what what archetypes the guardians of catch on that's a really good point um the question um i suppose archetypes are what would you call you don't they that they're what humanity runs on and when you think of it um

[00:29:56] i suppose when you recognize archetypes that are active in your life you kind of stop fighting against your nation and start leveraging kind of your authentic power and your authentic self um i think the only way i can put it back to the guardians is during my journey with my son and mind here i stopped trying to mask my guardian and visionary archetypes of what i was and i fully embraced them

[00:30:20] and that is when everything changed that's when everything unlocked so true growth isn't kind of becoming someone else i think the guardians um are authentically who they are and i think what's going to be so wonderful is we've got men of faith we've got um logical men logical men and women

[00:30:40] we've got uh all diverse different types of people um different types of humans um and um amazing people and they all have different archetypes as well so um they're all they're all going to be this amazing melting pot um but i think from kind of archetypes uh i think if you want to transform your world

[00:31:09] world and i want the guardians to i wanted them to transfer their the people that own them's world as well as as well as um uh people around them i believe you have to understand those archetypes that are calling you um and it's not just personal development it can be a blueprint so i think um

[00:31:31] with the guardians i would say that we have the most amazing mix of different people that are perfect and the ones that have stayed around are the ones you want and the ones that mocked and left and uh that you don't want and the ones that have been supportive all throughout you want and it's all based on the 10 different dimensions of uh consciousness which i cannot say

[00:31:59] anything more about yet um but yeah that's that's kind of my thought got it got it so those who stayed those who left those who mocked those who didn't i i get mocked a lot you know um i've written 334 books in county people are like you shouldn't write them because the titles mix up make no sense

[00:32:21] but it made sense to me um your projects face mockery ridicule fud over the years from critics right um why are those critics wrong and how can other projects like yours like maybe my face who are facing unjust criticism persevere and go through adversity successfully

[00:32:46] that's a really really good question um which is ironic actually because yesterday i had that same problem um the it was the head of cognitive science at goldsmith or something who said that what i who commented on my linkedin post about what i was doing saying that my art has no value

[00:33:08] um because it's uh to a gallery or anything because it has no value um which i thought was interesting um and then another person and what was it yeah oh yeah uh today said um uh i don't know why you think

[00:33:29] you're important um or have any insight at all smiley face and um laughing and and then you've got people in the guardian group sometimes who while i'm being transparent the whole time without being able to tell them but um uh the full things of what we're doing um anytime i would uh postings there or whatever

[00:33:55] i would get mocked um and um i had helped i i faced a head on and because let me tell you something about critics jimmy up they only attack what they don't understand or what threatens them right mind jill and me have faced mocker and farts because we're doing something that challenges the status quo and no one can own me when you're truly innovating and i genuinely believe this the ridicule

[00:34:24] is a massive sign that you're on the right track the critics are wrong for one immense simple reason they're looking at today's problems and today's thing while we are building solutions for tomorrow as well i mean how do you persevere first and you need absolute flipping conviction in your own ultimate

[00:34:51] vision and mission i mean it doesn't mean you can't evolve but i've found the mission of meaning stay the same i am very important actually when i was 10 i went to the salvador dali museum and it changed my life forever in america because what i noticed was the thousands of sketches that he did before the final piece and most of it didn't even end up in the final piece but the final piece wouldn't

[00:35:20] be what it was without all those masses of sketches and so what thrilled me and interested me was the sketches um and um if you surround yourself with believers who see what you see and it's very difficult when you step out of it because it's only when it starts to get popular that people start you know coming back and whatever and the but genuinely the guardian community didn't just help build mind

[00:35:44] chill they kept me going when the flop was at its worst um they were my guardian angels and that's real human connection and that's fundamentally where i learned that the real value of mind chill is the guardians and the humans behind um and that led to everything and and so i i don't use criticism fuel because i don't know that it affects me because one person will tell me i'm a visionary and then the next day they'll tell me another person will tell me that i'm i'm an idiot you know

[00:36:12] there's nothing so you can't take you know what what you've got to take both of them in a in a in a in a kind of uh neutral way um but i genuinely believe the projects and people in life that will survive and thrive are the ones with them are the ones without the most or something but they're the ones solving real problems with unshakable purpose and when i mean unshakable

[00:36:40] purpose get out of my way keep up because we need to make this happen and um and that's my biggest thing to say to everyone um anyone out there and one of the most important things as well as i've documented this journey on telegram and discord is that that's my digital history that's my art that's that's my art as well um but it's going to show agi that resilience amidst adversity

[00:37:08] is what humans do best and um and uh yeah and uh forgiveness as well is something that i've had to grapple with with some of them um because some i'll leave you for the book but some of the challenges we've had was some people trying to turn something i created which was the positive the guardians into

[00:37:33] me looking at them when they come and speak to me um as something dangerous and negative and horrible and um one of the things i've learned throughout this this particular journey and mind journey especially with the kind of um intuitive introverts and kind of the autosoms is that i want to see the good in humans i trust in too much in certain areas i've learned that i'm not going to be doing that

[00:38:00] again and and uh we have got immense security in place now which is wonderful and also we've had an education that no banks no institution most people even you you know we all will have our education in this industry because of what we've gone through over the last few years um and so yeah so you know if they want if they want i don't think i've ever spent my time going on to actively into someone's

[00:38:29] feed to ridicule them i mean have you done that um you'd be if your children right i think i've done it a few times you know but it hasn't been for a number of years you know so it's much it's what um but see that's the thing i i am the most dangerous thing about me is that is the um money i can make

[00:38:58] it and i can make lots of it but it's not the driving force for me the driving force for me is meaning and that's kind of what i wanted to kind of get across as well on this on this podcast because it's a case of um greed has poisoned men's souls and women's souls and we need to we need to we need to uh um re-evaluate what value and really is moving forward in my opinion yeah i get i get i get

[00:39:26] my meeting through leaving a legacy um and the more books i write that are not agentic ai uh focus that are just based on conversations the better job i'm doing so um oh mate do you know how amazing it is to be authentically yourself now on social you stick out like a sore phone when i was doing my linkedin post i specifically leave my bad english in law and it stands out like a sore thumb and what's so funny

[00:39:53] is i get so many messages from that and from just your feelings of it and because just everything is becoming the same you can just tell is that you or is that someone else speaking you know yeah so this is the crypto hipster podcast and i gotta go back to talk a little bit about crypto uh yeah you know over the years you're yeah over the years your project has has evolved from nfts

[00:40:21] through metaverses to real world tokenization through agentic ai you know um agentic ai is able to transform efficiencies right um make create little little small little micro efficiencies but but there's a major drawback to that isn't there you know that it causes bigger problems right um

[00:40:46] how do you you know how do you use agentic ai maybe in that create micro inefficiencies or inefficient or efficiencies that all that don't create these major inefficiencies i think i think agentic ai won't just transform things it's just going to decimate it um obliterate it entirely um

[00:41:14] i called um when ai agents can instantly create value and trade digital assets with perfect efficiency um we're not talking about 10 job displacement facing kind of 10 000 restructuring of human value and not to mention humanoids and kind of robotics so um

[00:41:40] every creative job in the economy and the economy is crypto um it could potentially be gone every middleman which is the economy could be gone so for example all these sas companies uh funded by uh uh what's it called um vc combinator and all those places and they're all hugely bloated with staff they're all hugely bloated with with things and now you can create it within five seconds so um

[00:42:09] there's a massive massive shock coming i don't think people might realize how much of a shock because when i've always heard in the recently which is progress and this is progress in the finance world and all these worlds and it's not really progress for humans um but it goes as i said it goes beyond creators uh i think in five years time we're going to have completely different industries

[00:42:35] um that's why i think uh what we're doing is it's just kind of awesome but um in finance ai and agents with trading etc i'm seeing it at the moment and it is devastating people because med bots and all these things and that no one is really the average retailer hasn't come in doesn't understand it and doesn't know what's going on doesn't understand spooching doesn't understand

[00:43:01] um market manipulations um and so they'll be using ai that has um behavioral um you know learnings and manipulation techniques to take money off you and make money for for you as well at the same time so um the problem is when everyone's making money and everyone's making

[00:43:26] for this value where's the value from it it seemed very empty to me it doesn't seem like these ai agents and they also need a lot of human in the loop intervention a lot of people who have put ai into their business have now taken out um so um and they're putting it back in in different ways and so um for me i see a massive uh hack from an ai agent uh this year pretty much um that will um decimate one

[00:43:55] of those frameworks that everyone's talking about and um but i think that rather than just being doom monger i think it's amazing that we can create efficiencies and it can help people and it can and it can do amazing things um but i just don't think people play fair with hearts and minds and um the ai agents that i'm seeing everywhere are to create ugc um user generated content ads you can

[00:44:21] create a thousand user generated content ads within a minute but they're not user generated content they're ai generated synthetic so they're not real they're fake it's manipulation and so um word i use the manipulation is a lot of that um of what i'm seeing um in the specifically in the crypto world um it will open up huge ways for commerce it'll open up huge ways for trading and you may not even

[00:44:50] need an exchange in the future because with stable coins and connect that into an ai agent which is something we're working on actually with it um you you can completely avoid all of that um but um the crypto industry is at a very interesting point because all those people that believed in those projects they put all their money in it's locked in there and now those companies have to produce value

[00:45:16] and a lot of them a billion dollar market perhaps i can't see where their value is and especially and the fact that they can be copied in their genetic ai can just go and copy anything as well um so it's a little bit um muddled but um yeah i i think um if the efficiencies will be amazing but it's who they're for

[00:45:44] yeah so i see it i see this way there the edge and the ai is able to copy a lot of the left brain functionality the analysis the the creation that not the creation um the but it can't it can't replicate the right brain creatives like like you you know um so how is that going to be an opportunity

[00:46:08] you know for the creatives to you know to move to be able to transcend the ai because it seems like you know ai would be focused on tasks we still got to create right so how can we happily build up the creator economy in the face of this agentic ai boom so um i'm just trying to find this because

[00:46:31] uh here it is yes i wrote this in answer to that investors hunt for visionary investors should hunt from visionary founders startup chase engineering unicorn now the better bed is with creative and artistic savants true world builders different thinkers one in a million finds ai isn't about

[00:46:54] to change how we work it will commoditize it design code strategy content automated outsource replicated so welcome to the era of the creative polymath not the designer with the best figma shortcuts not the marketer chasing shadow trends the one who thinks like a director writes like a screenwriter manage imagines like a set designer consumes film architecture fashion subcultures finance everything

[00:47:23] knows what feels iconic long before the data proves it they don't just make deck they design new realities and i think we need to now be putting those people in governments making critical decisions we need to be putting them in rather than laughing and dismissing at a creative we have an opportunity here for different thinkers to reshape not only reshape things but also defend us because the extroverts

[00:47:52] are just going moving fast and breaking things aren't they yep yep i agree one thing that i've said that um is we have uh we have a a strong man in trump we have a technology focused um uh person in elon musk we have what people are believing is the um

[00:48:22] vision of what is to be a man which is andrew tate um and um where's the creative where's the where you know where where in our world god wouldn't our world be a nicer place if people like me and um and uh our community had a say in it i mean it really would and um and i think it's possible now because

[00:48:48] you know and value is gonna change knowledge everyone can do it execution anyone can do it before people used to say um what was it uh oh yeah ideas and cheap well it's changed a bit now hasn't it has well well i could talk to you for hours but i but i want to thank you i want to thank you and

[00:49:15] i'm not going to dig into the detail that you can't talk about yet hopefully i can do that in a year or too you know when we speak again you know and um on the podcast so um i want to thank you very much for your time today this has been a very fun and amazing conversation um i have one i have one last question how can people find out more information about you about mindshow 360.

[00:49:39] um if you go to mindshow.ai that is our new um domain and hopefully you won't have to wait a year to find out what's really going on and with regards to all of this and find out more information hopefully next week you might so um yeah because uh now is definitely the time now is our time now is

[00:50:01] the mindchill guardians time to wake up and see the real awakening awesome awesome thank you very much for your time today thanks man i really appreciate it i appreciate you for taking the time to value what i have to say your mission might be mad but one day you never know it might actually turn out didn't you