Paul Sztorc, co-founder and CEO of LayerTwo Labs, inventor of Drivechain, and author of BIP 300 and BIP 301, joins Jamil Hasan for a wide-ranging conversation about Bitcoin’s future.
They explore Drivechain, scaling, sidechains, miner incentives, Lightning, Ethereum, and the tension between preserving Bitcoin and allowing experimentation around it.
But the conversation ultimately reaches a deeper question: Who actually stewards Bitcoin?
Paul discusses the unusual governance dynamics of a decentralized system, the risks of complacency around Bitcoin’s success, and why he believes expanding what people can build with Bitcoin matters for its long-term future.
The episode closes on a more personal question: If Drivechain were never adopted, would all the years Paul spent building it still have been worth it?


