Why NFTs May Still Just Be the Catalyst That Brings Billions of Web2 Users into Web3, with Aka Leung @ Bitget

[00:00:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Hello everybody and welcome to the Crypto Hipster podcast. This is your host Jamil Hasan the Crypto Hipster where I interview founders

[00:00:08] [SPEAKER_00]: entrepreneurs executives thought leaders

[00:00:11] [SPEAKER_00]: You name it all over the world of crypto and blockchain and today I have another amazing guest

[00:00:16] [SPEAKER_00]: This man is a country manager at Bitget his name is Aka Leung Aka welcome to the show

[00:00:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Hey Jamie great to have you here

[00:00:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you very much for joining me. So I mean I asked you the first question I asked everybody and I always get amazing

[00:00:35] [SPEAKER_00]: wonderful responses and

[00:00:37] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, what is your background and is it a logical background for what you're doing now?

[00:00:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay sure. So thank you for today. Uh, invite me to uh, be the interview here

[00:00:49] [SPEAKER_02]: so this is Aka Leung and I based in Hong Kong and currently I work in

[00:00:54] [SPEAKER_02]: In Bitget as a country manager. So maybe just let me briefly introduce myself before crypto and actually before

[00:01:04] [SPEAKER_02]: 2021 I was working in the traditional media agency

[00:01:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Just like a normal marketing stuff and I managed social media accounts

[00:01:13] [SPEAKER_02]: And I also responsible for interviews like what journalists did and I go to go out

[00:01:21] [SPEAKER_02]: And find some good story and try to film and try to edit the video like the marketing stops

[00:01:27] [SPEAKER_02]: And actually I got started in crypto back in

[00:01:32] [SPEAKER_02]: 2021 at that time I had a chance to go to the forbid global now currently

[00:01:39] [SPEAKER_02]: As known as htx and at the time I working as a operation sign

[00:01:45] [SPEAKER_02]: And mainly focused on the user growth in luck time and also ci s region

[00:01:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Then in 2022 I uh quit my job because I find that there's a

[00:01:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Trending very hits that is called NFT non-fungible token. Uh, that time

[00:02:03] [SPEAKER_02]: There are very hard and trending in the crypto industry

[00:02:06] [SPEAKER_02]: So that's why I quit my exchange user growth job into step into an energy project

[00:02:12] [SPEAKER_02]: And lastly finally because of the heat is gone very soon. Maybe just around the half years and I get back to

[00:02:20] [SPEAKER_02]: crypto exchange or just uh

[00:02:22] [SPEAKER_02]: In 2022 I went to Bitget later that year and here at Bitget

[00:02:28] [SPEAKER_02]: I right now I joined Bitget as the operation manager too and currently I working as a country manager and

[00:02:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Started in Bitget. Uh, actually I am all about helping user base growth in different regions like ci s

[00:02:43] [SPEAKER_02]: luck timing english-speaking regions and also the media market as well

[00:02:47] [SPEAKER_02]: So it's been a quite journey and each step has helped me understand this industry better

[00:02:53] [SPEAKER_02]: And this process has equipped me with a holistic understanding of the crypto industry

[00:02:58] [SPEAKER_02]: And positioning me effectively to drive strategies and initiatives and uh, try to

[00:03:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Having a growth across different regions for user growth. So that's the basically background from my side

[00:03:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Great awesome. So I'm interested to know, you know

[00:03:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Um, you have that in an NFT experience and now you're at Bitget

[00:03:22] [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm gonna find out what your mission and your vision is for your role at Bitget

[00:03:27] [SPEAKER_00]: How you see your experience with NFTs helping the company grow and where we where we headed for the future

[00:03:34] [SPEAKER_02]: So I see I'm not sure if anyone uh familiar with big gas

[00:03:38] [SPEAKER_02]: So maybe I can start by talking about some briefly background about big yet

[00:03:42] [SPEAKER_02]: So or big yet is all about making crypto trading easy and secure for everyone

[00:03:47] [SPEAKER_02]: So, uh, let's actually big yet is that that was in 2018 and we right now we are the world leading crypto exchange and

[00:03:56] [SPEAKER_02]: We are a web free company with serving over 25 million users in 200 plus

[00:04:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Countries and regions. So we are a global exchange and our we have many

[00:04:08] [SPEAKER_02]: competitors like a finance and okx and etc

[00:04:11] [SPEAKER_02]: So actually big exchange is committed to helping users trade smarter and it's pioneering

[00:04:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Copy trading features. This is our product a very great product and we are really proud of it

[00:04:23] [SPEAKER_02]: trading so

[00:04:25] [SPEAKER_02]: We also provide other trading solutions in our crypto exchange

[00:04:28] [SPEAKER_02]: So in big gas actually I am the person right now who is responsible for the

[00:04:35] [SPEAKER_02]: business growth

[00:04:36] [SPEAKER_02]: In different region. Maybe right now I'm targeting the middle regions for the business growth

[00:04:41] [SPEAKER_02]: So all my aim is to expand or big get rich and make it like a go-to platform

[00:04:48] [SPEAKER_02]: For crypto and feel CS in different areas. So we would like to want to be the trusted exchange

[00:04:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Where users can explore the crypto world with confidence and trust. So this is our aim

[00:05:00] [SPEAKER_02]: We would like to

[00:05:02] [SPEAKER_02]: To highlight that we are very secure and transparent exchange and we would like to build the web free

[00:05:07] [SPEAKER_02]: cultures to reach the

[00:05:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Those uses who are not familiar with crypto and start trading with big gas

[00:05:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Got it. So you're in 200 countries

[00:05:20] [SPEAKER_00]: primary Hong Kong and Singapore and Asia and then

[00:05:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Where else

[00:05:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, actually it's not operating in Hong Kong. Maybe some compliance issue

[00:05:30] [SPEAKER_02]: But we are globally maybe some English region and some mean region CIS region and Latin America. Yeah

[00:05:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Got it. Got it. Sounds good. Um, so

[00:05:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Your company and a lot of a lot of companies

[00:05:45] [SPEAKER_00]: We're at token 2049. I heard it was amazing. Um

[00:05:49] [SPEAKER_00]: What were the best takeaways that you had taken from from token 2049 and what should we look forward to seeing from big

[00:05:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Get in those areas that you know, they talk about at that conference

[00:05:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yes, uh, generally speaking this is my first time going to Singapore

[00:06:05] [SPEAKER_02]: But not the first time to go going to token 2049 events and I went to Dubai before

[00:06:11] [SPEAKER_02]: So this year just went back from Singapore. So previously

[00:06:15] [SPEAKER_02]: I did think that Singapore was a country that was very similar to my home place, Hong Kong

[00:06:21] [SPEAKER_02]: And actually it really does

[00:06:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Actually, Singapore is the web free and blockchain hub there. So you can see the multi cultural

[00:06:30] [SPEAKER_02]: People there and there are a lot of people coming from all around the world

[00:06:35] [SPEAKER_02]: And I really had fun and enjoy there with meeting with new friends and old faces there

[00:06:40] [SPEAKER_02]: So, uh, you know as a web pre company is unlike

[00:06:44] [SPEAKER_02]: With the traditional one or most of us in a crypto exchange are we more working right?

[00:06:49] [SPEAKER_02]: So, uh, we haven't seen each other in real life

[00:06:53] [SPEAKER_02]: As well as my college because right now I'm leading the team of six. Actually, I didn't see

[00:06:59] [SPEAKER_02]: They will in real life or after before the Singapore to

[00:07:04] [SPEAKER_02]: To see overnight event

[00:07:05] [SPEAKER_02]: So this is quite a excited experience to see my team there in real life for the first time

[00:07:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Just like, you know, you maybe you're going to play some dating app

[00:07:15] [SPEAKER_02]: You're talking to a girl and you never seen her before and yeah

[00:07:18] [SPEAKER_02]: We're really excited to see my team in college and uh in there the offline

[00:07:23] [SPEAKER_02]: So talking to zero for nine. This is the really eye-opening events and uh, it gave us a lot of

[00:07:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Think about for the futures, you know, or web being blockchain. This is uh, really a future

[00:07:35] [SPEAKER_02]: We are hot topic that we're talking recently this year

[00:07:39] [SPEAKER_02]: So I meet a lot of project founders during the offline events such as like, uh, AI AI projects some

[00:07:46] [SPEAKER_02]: RWA project maybe some of the are coming from NFT marketplace, etc

[00:07:50] [SPEAKER_02]: So actually, um, for me, we are looking to dive in deeper into web feed to provide our uses with more exciting options

[00:07:59] [SPEAKER_02]: And I learn a lot with different project founders and really exciting to be eye-opened

[00:08:06] [SPEAKER_02]: So and you know, uh, we just also announced our partnership with La Liga this year. So this is the really big news

[00:08:13] [SPEAKER_02]: During the uh, two token events, uh, FTP get tired. I'm more also proud with

[00:08:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Previously we have some partnership with Leo Messi the football legend

[00:08:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Argentina team and right now we just announced our partnership with La Liga

[00:08:26] [SPEAKER_02]: So this is really exciting news that we are moving forward to step into

[00:08:32] [SPEAKER_02]: For parts. So yeah, that's all my thoughts

[00:08:38] [SPEAKER_00]: So a couple follow-ups. Uh, first I want to talk about La Liga a little bit. I wasn't planning up, but that's that's great news

[00:08:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Um, how do you see

[00:08:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Your experience with NFTs?

[00:08:50] [SPEAKER_00]: And you know in that space being able to to support and help La Liga

[00:08:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, what are the capacities or is your partnership and relationship with La Liga going to look forward to?

[00:09:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, yes, actually, we see the success of the partnership previously with Leo Messi. So this is the football star

[00:09:08] [SPEAKER_02]: so while um, we are trying to

[00:09:11] [SPEAKER_02]: uh,

[00:09:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Having another partnership with La Liga. So, you know, uh, also there are a lot of men's and uh, young youngsters

[00:09:20] [SPEAKER_02]: They like football. They are men and actually the target audience is very similar

[00:09:26] [SPEAKER_02]: With our crypto audience. So as you know, we we find a study

[00:09:30] [SPEAKER_02]: A lot of research and we study the market

[00:09:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Very very well and we find that there are lab between those

[00:09:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Football lovers and between the crypto lovers. So that's why we have a

[00:09:44] [SPEAKER_02]: partnership with La Liga. So they're

[00:09:47] [SPEAKER_02]: They're quite influence influencers in different regions. So this is a good thing that we had a partnership with them

[00:09:54] [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, that's my thoughts

[00:09:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Awesome. So I went to um

[00:10:01] [SPEAKER_00]: It's been for you. It's been four months. I went to to consensus uh in

[00:10:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Texas

[00:10:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Uh at the end of may like four months in crypto as lifetime, right? Um

[00:10:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Some of the themes there were, you know onboarding the onboarding of the next billion people

[00:10:19] [SPEAKER_00]: um

[00:10:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Some of the people I talked to thought it was, you know different different concepts

[00:10:24] [SPEAKER_00]: I want to find out like some thought it was zero knowledge would help it

[00:10:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Some people thought a count extraction, you know, I thought um

[00:10:33] [SPEAKER_00]: differently

[00:10:33] [SPEAKER_00]: But I want to find out, you know, what you think

[00:10:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Is going to be the driver

[00:10:38] [SPEAKER_00]: That brings in the next, you know, uh billion people

[00:10:42] [SPEAKER_00]: In the crypto and onboarding the next, you know, billion

[00:10:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Uh for the next bull run. What do you what do you think is going to be the other?

[00:10:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Do it be the drivers?

[00:10:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh for me, there are different drivers right now. So uh as you can see recently

[00:10:57] [SPEAKER_02]: There is a trend on uh the ton ton to and ton token that you can see because the space in uh

[00:11:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Tagram and the the chain is based in tagram and the user space is really huge

[00:11:10] [SPEAKER_02]: And right now they're launching a lot of different tokens on the ton ecosystem like uh, maybe uh another

[00:11:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Tagram games and that already exists in there are a lot of huge audience in the

[00:11:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Tagram size. So I think this is one of the way uh that uh

[00:11:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Will be the one of the hot topic for for the next billion people

[00:11:34] [SPEAKER_02]: So apart from the ton ecosystem, actually I do think that as a point of crypto exchange

[00:11:40] [SPEAKER_02]: We might provide some more educational and awareness

[00:11:46] [SPEAKER_02]: On crypto crypto things because right now there are a lot of people with zero knowledge

[00:11:51] [SPEAKER_02]: They do not know what is the crypto and what is the blockchain? So as a

[00:11:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Working as a exchange stuff. So so likely we will be providing some

[00:12:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Educational resources, maybe we can talk more about on the ton ecosystem

[00:12:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe some of them will love to learn about the nft because nft is one of the hot issue

[00:12:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Previously and right now although it's fading away, but I

[00:12:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Actually, I do think the heat will be coming back again because the uses of nft non fungible token the technology

[00:12:24] [SPEAKER_02]: It's already here

[00:12:25] [SPEAKER_02]: But uh, just we would like to explore how we can use use it well to be a well adopted

[00:12:32] [SPEAKER_02]: For the crypto users or and also try to bring in the web to users converting them to ref fee

[00:12:39] [SPEAKER_02]: So uh as a big get stuff a central exchange stuff. So I I think that

[00:12:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Actually on educational stuff

[00:12:46] [SPEAKER_02]: We can talk more about on the ton ecosystem to telegram

[00:12:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Also, the nft marketplace will be also the hot issue that will be bring on board on expedient people here

[00:13:01] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's interesting

[00:13:03] [SPEAKER_00]: In the I mean, I haven't paid too much attention to ton

[00:13:07] [SPEAKER_00]: I have been on telegram, you know for for a few years, right?

[00:13:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Um, what what's the benefit like I don't know ton is being used, you know a lot a lot in Asia and in Africa

[00:13:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, what are the benefits of using the ton?

[00:13:24] [SPEAKER_00]: ecosystem for those who aren't too familiar with it

[00:13:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Actually, it's very user friendly

[00:13:29] [SPEAKER_02]: So when you a web to users you use tagger and right so you use tagger

[00:13:34] [SPEAKER_02]: And then you can just simply click some one button and then you can get into the app

[00:13:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe I'll just take a hamster hamster combat as an example

[00:13:42] [SPEAKER_02]: so you just click in one and

[00:13:45] [SPEAKER_02]: You can launch the app and then you can doing some simple tasks

[00:13:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe share watch a youtube video and maybe you can just click one kick and then you can earn the airdrop token

[00:13:55] [SPEAKER_02]: So this is a very low entry the barrier is very low

[00:13:59] [SPEAKER_02]: You can just you feel clicks and earning some airdrops and then those airdrops you can convert them into money

[00:14:07] [SPEAKER_02]: So once the token listed on the crypto exchange

[00:14:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Once they have the liquidity you can join in the web free spaces

[00:14:14] [SPEAKER_02]: You can trade you can try to feel or what is the graphy feels like and you can train in different exchange

[00:14:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe you can also trade in the dex pool also

[00:14:24] [SPEAKER_02]: So this is a very low barrier for the web to users or just with one click you're playing some games on

[00:14:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Tagram like on the tankon ecosystem and then you can earn some airdrop likes a hamster combat

[00:14:37] [SPEAKER_02]: So that's why I think this will be bringing very hot

[00:14:41] [SPEAKER_02]: And trending and to bring to onboard next billion people

[00:14:46] [SPEAKER_02]: to crypto

[00:14:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Got it. And then and then I think

[00:14:50] [SPEAKER_00]: A lot of people said over the past few years that NFTs are dead. They're not

[00:14:54] [SPEAKER_00]: But I'm not too. I don't know if you know if you're familiar with our chairman here in the sec gargetson. I don't think everybody is

[00:15:01] [SPEAKER_00]: He was interviewed by congress the other day and I don't know what the representative asked him

[00:15:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Who it was but he said is there is there a difference between between buying a yankee ticket to see the yankees game

[00:15:14] [SPEAKER_00]: And buying an NFT to join in an event that you know, and

[00:15:18] [SPEAKER_00]: He couldn't answer that question. So, you know

[00:15:23] [SPEAKER_00]: NFTs people claim are dead, but they're not right. What do you see is the benefit of that helping

[00:15:28] [SPEAKER_02]: And if he's actually said technology that I think right now

[00:15:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Or previously in the previous one year most of the projects are dead

[00:15:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Because maybe some they are just focusing on making money fast money, but they actually not doing it the right way

[00:15:43] [SPEAKER_02]: So right now I can also say NFT actually technology is a good thing

[00:15:47] [SPEAKER_02]: So because it's non fungible token, right? So this is the proof of

[00:15:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Something so let's take an example. Maybe the qualification also everything can say I graduated from Osport University

[00:15:59] [SPEAKER_02]: So you have a cert, right? But for NFT for upcoming as you can see the trend

[00:16:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe we can use this technology NFT technology to implement into our real life such as the

[00:16:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Qualification so NFT is a very unique

[00:16:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Point of free technology. So right now you can you cannot say oh this cert

[00:16:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Is not real but fine NFT technology you can prove your cert is real

[00:16:24] [SPEAKER_02]: So that's why you can prove you are or really

[00:16:27] [SPEAKER_02]: qualified and get graduated in Osport University

[00:16:31] [SPEAKER_02]: So some of them are I know some of the companies already working with some kind of NFT technology to try to

[00:16:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Implement with our real life. So I think I can foresee that there are some upcoming NFT will be back soon

[00:16:44] [SPEAKER_02]: So because once the previous year most of the project not mainly focusing on making fast money

[00:16:50] [SPEAKER_02]: But they already neglected the real things of the technology NFT technology. So that's my thought here

[00:16:59] [SPEAKER_00]: I like it

[00:17:00] [SPEAKER_00]: um, I do so

[00:17:03] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm thinking about your company you've been around for a little while you you've navigated some

[00:17:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Really rough crypto waters, you know with Terra Luna collapse and

[00:17:13] [SPEAKER_00]: FTX and Celsius 3c all that

[00:17:16] [SPEAKER_00]: You were unaffected. I think um

[00:17:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Relatively, you know, you're still standing

[00:17:22] [SPEAKER_00]: What's been your key to sustainable growth? You know where others failed

[00:17:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, this is a good question

[00:17:30] [SPEAKER_02]: So actually the crypto market can be a rough road that you can see the uh, lune from saying the

[00:17:35] [SPEAKER_02]: FTX crossing a lot of maybe some central exchange stay closed down

[00:17:39] [SPEAKER_02]: So actually I stay here in big head for two years. Uh, still

[00:17:43] [SPEAKER_02]: We are working very well because we have been focused on transparency and user safety

[00:17:50] [SPEAKER_02]: And building the trust with our users. So so this is the key for us in staying

[00:17:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Float and growing steadily. So even though in tough times like uh, Terra and Lula collapse

[00:18:02] [SPEAKER_02]: And at that time we also launch a protection fund and also proof of reserve after the FTX incident

[00:18:09] [SPEAKER_02]: So we aim to build the trust with our users. So all the uh, what referees about transparency

[00:18:15] [SPEAKER_02]: And security so you can find how much money we reserve

[00:18:20] [SPEAKER_02]: For for the uh protect our users. They have fun in big get so this is the very public

[00:18:24] [SPEAKER_02]: You can search it online in the blockchain. Uh, you can check the data

[00:18:29] [SPEAKER_02]: So we are we have that money and we are not afraid that we are collapsed because we are very secured and transparent

[00:18:36] [SPEAKER_02]: So so that we we can really power of it to stay with our users

[00:18:40] [SPEAKER_02]: They trust us and I also uh, we would like to hand and uh highlighted that we

[00:18:45] [SPEAKER_02]: We're really secured and transparent exchange in the industry. So that's why we are still here and users trust us

[00:18:53] [SPEAKER_02]: as usual

[00:18:56] [SPEAKER_00]: What is he said you lost your protection fund? How does that work?

[00:19:01] [SPEAKER_02]: So the protection fund is that uh, you maybe you deposit some money to big get and you get secured

[00:19:08] [SPEAKER_02]: So you get secured you you if we collapse and you can take the money away

[00:19:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, we can pay pay you back. So you protect your fund is protected by big gas

[00:19:17] [SPEAKER_02]: What is big get protection fund with this additional layer of security?

[00:19:23] [SPEAKER_02]: You can confidently trade knowing your access are safeguarded

[00:19:28] [SPEAKER_02]: The big get protection fund gives our platform an extra layer of resilience against cyber security threats

[00:19:35] [SPEAKER_02]: In addition to our proof of reserves

[00:19:38] [SPEAKER_02]: The fund shows that we are committed to protecting your access and then we operate with transparency

[00:19:46] [SPEAKER_02]: and integrity

[00:19:48] [SPEAKER_02]: So users who have their accounts compromised or access stolen or lost due to events not attributable

[00:19:55] [SPEAKER_02]: To their own actions or trading behavior. So they may make a claim for big get protection fund

[00:20:05] [SPEAKER_01]: And also you can check it out on our big get website or go to our protection fund pay

[00:20:11] [SPEAKER_01]: So right now you can find that our protection fund is valued at uh, above more than 400 million

[00:20:20] [SPEAKER_00]: kind of like

[00:20:22] [SPEAKER_00]: I kind of like the bank guarantee or or not

[00:20:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, just like some uh, your fund is being protected and you are not going to afraid. You always steal your money away

[00:20:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, that's always good

[00:20:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah

[00:20:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, good

[00:20:41] [SPEAKER_00]: um

[00:20:42] [SPEAKER_00]: You you mentioned earlier

[00:20:44] [SPEAKER_00]: That you're looking at AI as well as man of seizure basically actually lost

[00:20:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Lost some AI crypto projects on big get right

[00:20:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, what were they and what do you look forward to them?

[00:20:56] [SPEAKER_00]: serving

[00:21:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so uh about AI and blockchain. Uh, that actually they are the power couple of the tab world

[00:21:08] [SPEAKER_02]: So think of this this way AI brings smart and automation to the table

[00:21:13] [SPEAKER_02]: While botching offers a security security and transparency

[00:21:18] [SPEAKER_02]: So at big get we believe that's uh bringing these two technologies together can work very well for the crypto sector

[00:21:25] [SPEAKER_02]: So, um now some of them may argue that our AI and botchings should be kept separated

[00:21:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Or but actually we do think that we see a world of possibilities when they join together and work together

[00:21:37] [SPEAKER_02]: So picture this with AI analyzing data on the blockchain. We can spot the trend very fast and very efficient

[00:21:44] [SPEAKER_02]: So also we can enhance the security

[00:21:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Um measures and streamline the process for users. So when it comes to the regulators, uh, actually this is very important

[00:21:54] [SPEAKER_02]: For them to grasp the benefits of its this integration by combining AI and blockchain

[00:22:00] [SPEAKER_02]: So we can speed up the transaction

[00:22:03] [SPEAKER_02]: for the five security protocols and also

[00:22:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, provide more accurate data analysis

[00:22:10] [SPEAKER_02]: So this is the win-win for users regulators and the anti-crypto ecosystem

[00:22:16] [SPEAKER_02]: So the bottom line is that the AI and blockchain need each other or more than we might think

[00:22:21] [SPEAKER_02]: So they work well together by uh highlighting their benefits to regulators

[00:22:25] [SPEAKER_02]: We can create a saver and also more effective crypto environments

[00:22:33] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't disagree with you. Um

[00:22:35] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just thinking of what practical applications would be of combining them

[00:22:41] [SPEAKER_00]: and then, um

[00:22:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Together, you know, I make sense from what you said makes sense from a trading perspective to analyze trends

[00:22:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, how else could they work together to help?

[00:22:52] [SPEAKER_00]: build economies

[00:22:56] [SPEAKER_02]: so uh, actually we you can use the AI to

[00:23:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Have a data analysis in really fast way

[00:23:03] [SPEAKER_02]: So you can get the trends or what is uh upcoming and you can ask the AI or to analyze the pattern

[00:23:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe the trading patterns or maybe some of the data or analyze the market or the movements

[00:23:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, how will we predict the market?

[00:23:18] [SPEAKER_02]: So this is a very useful way that we can integrate AI and blockchain and trading in one way

[00:23:27] [SPEAKER_00]: And how can how can blockchain help circumvent the security issues?

[00:23:32] [SPEAKER_00]: uh with AI

[00:23:34] [SPEAKER_02]: So when you're talking about the security issue, actually I do think blockchain is already very secure issue because

[00:23:41] [SPEAKER_02]: or many

[00:23:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, everyone of us can enter the blockchain can search the information and data on the blockchain

[00:23:48] [SPEAKER_02]: So this is the already transparent and security uh platform that we can think of so actually uh

[00:23:55] [SPEAKER_02]: For my personal view, I do already think that uh, blockchain is already very secured and transparent

[00:24:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Got it. Okay. So it helps it helps

[00:24:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Improve the security measures around AI. I think that's a good thing

[00:24:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Very cool. So, um, what can we look forward to next from bit get going forward from here for the next year five years

[00:24:19] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, what do you see and then what do you see as going to be the catalyst for the next bull run?

[00:24:24] [SPEAKER_00]: A lot of people wonder when that bull run is going to be so

[00:24:27] [SPEAKER_00]: You know wonder what what you're seeing

[00:24:30] [SPEAKER_00]: um from the market perspective and how we can

[00:24:33] [SPEAKER_00]: What we have to look forward to

[00:24:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh from my personal point of view actually, or we just have a news

[00:24:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Some news that we have the bicon etf and ethereum etf launch

[00:24:46] [SPEAKER_02]: So this is a really good chance for the traditional fun and vc and step into crypto

[00:24:52] [SPEAKER_02]: So previously we do not have some

[00:24:55] [SPEAKER_02]: etf on bicon and ethereum, right? So this is the already lower the entry barrier and also the crypto adoption right now is

[00:25:05] [SPEAKER_02]: enhancing so as I can see actually

[00:25:08] [SPEAKER_02]: People all around the world actually most of them do not know what is crypto and what is our btc

[00:25:15] [SPEAKER_02]: What is the ethereum?

[00:25:16] [SPEAKER_02]: So this is a really good trend if some

[00:25:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Some of the government support and launch the etf and then they can buy the etf

[00:25:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe in some of the local regular regular

[00:25:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Exchange or traditional exchange. So this is what we see that our crypto will

[00:25:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Personally, I do really bullish on the crypto market because more and more people and the government support some of the

[00:25:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Recalithus come into stepping into the crypto currency sector too

[00:25:45] [SPEAKER_02]: So there are some a lot of support coming from the different industry and the traditional one will finally turn into ref fee

[00:25:53] [SPEAKER_02]: so

[00:25:53] [SPEAKER_02]: There are a lot of things that uh, you can see some of my friends is also asking me. Oh, what is ptc?

[00:26:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, I want to buy and how how can we buy it?

[00:26:02] [SPEAKER_02]: so maybe they can just uh, but if we first step to

[00:26:05] [SPEAKER_02]: try to learn the bicon etf and buy it from using their local currency and

[00:26:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Once they get from from a little bit of that so maybe they can turn it into ref fee

[00:26:15] [SPEAKER_02]: They can have their own wallet. They can try to deposit some fund to the crypto central exchange

[00:26:21] [SPEAKER_02]: So for me and also for big get we are also very bullish and we are trying to building

[00:26:27] [SPEAKER_02]: More educational to try to educate to build the industry together to work very hard to uh, to educate

[00:26:34] [SPEAKER_02]: What to educate still web to use what is crypto and or come in big get and try try what is trading

[00:26:41] [SPEAKER_02]: bicon and what is ethereum? So

[00:26:44] [SPEAKER_02]: That's my thought to be honest. Yep

[00:26:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you. Yeah, you said something

[00:26:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe maybe think a little bit there, you know

[00:26:53] [SPEAKER_00]: You said the traditional mark is going to turn to web 3

[00:26:58] [SPEAKER_00]: But you also said that people don't know what ethereum and bitcoin are

[00:27:02] [SPEAKER_00]: So, how can we turn them to web 3 if they don't know what the basics are yet? You know, um,

[00:27:10] [SPEAKER_00]: How how could we push them to get there? You know

[00:27:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so actually this is a very hard topic and then we discuss this every day because turning web 2

[00:27:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Uses into web 3 is this is a quite a long term work. So some of them are just take some example just a few years ago

[00:27:29] [SPEAKER_02]: maybe

[00:27:30] [SPEAKER_02]: There's an nft hits in hong kong and there are a lot of artists and

[00:27:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Anything they launch there by own nft. So most of the

[00:27:40] [SPEAKER_02]: users there when they they are buying the nft

[00:27:44] [SPEAKER_02]: They are also web 2 users where they are supports their

[00:27:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Artists and support their stars. So that's why this is one of the way that we can think of how to convert

[00:27:54] [SPEAKER_02]: The web 2 users maybe we can buy leveraging some of these celebrities and some of the artists

[00:28:00] [SPEAKER_02]: They they are well known. They can also maybe

[00:28:03] [SPEAKER_02]: On board them as a partner shape or maybe they're trying to go to launch some nft

[00:28:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Related and then they can the fans can buy their

[00:28:12] [SPEAKER_02]: token and also support their

[00:28:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Celebrities, so this is one of the way we can think of how to convert those

[00:28:19] [SPEAKER_02]: web 2 users into web 3 and there's a lot of cases

[00:28:24] [SPEAKER_02]: I know that maybe some of the concert

[00:28:27] [SPEAKER_02]: The concert in hong kong also

[00:28:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Will also have a way we have some planning

[00:28:34] [SPEAKER_02]: I heard that some of the projects that are working on some nft ticketing. So, uh, you know

[00:28:41] [SPEAKER_02]: There are a lot of users love going to listen to music

[00:28:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Love going to the concert, but in the traditional way we only buy it

[00:28:50] [SPEAKER_02]: In the physical tickets or maybe some qr code and for the web fee

[00:28:55] [SPEAKER_02]: How can we turn them into web fee so we can have an nft ticketing?

[00:28:58] [SPEAKER_02]: So this is another issue. I might not elaborate on more because this is the very technical terms

[00:29:04] [SPEAKER_02]: You and me and also not so familiar with so this is just a one of the use case that

[00:29:09] [SPEAKER_02]: We can think of the real life

[00:29:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Environments we can implement the blockchain the ref fee technology into our real life

[00:29:19] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't need to get technicals. I do I do get a theme though. It's that you know, the path forward is to is through nfts

[00:29:28] [SPEAKER_00]: To to bring them on through web 2 to f3

[00:29:30] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, um, I like it. I like it. There's a lot more that needs to be done

[00:29:40] [SPEAKER_00]: so, um

[00:29:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I want to thank you very much for talking to me today. Um

[00:29:47] [SPEAKER_00]: I am excited about the future of nfts actually. Um, I wanted to find yeah. Yeah, I want to find out. Um

[00:29:55] [SPEAKER_00]: When when do you think that bull run is going to start? I'm just curious

[00:30:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh

[00:30:02] [SPEAKER_02]: For my personal view, I am still observing but uh, I do think that um, maybe the early of uh next year

[00:30:09] [SPEAKER_02]: So just my personal thought

[00:30:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, we still need some time. So right now you can see the

[00:30:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Market is getting bad the momentum right now bdc is going back to uh, our bulls six 60k

[00:30:22] [SPEAKER_02]: So we still need some time. Yep

[00:30:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I feel it's gonna pop

[00:30:27] [SPEAKER_00]: So, um, yeah, thank you very I want to thank you very much for your time today. I have one last question

[00:30:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Um, it's how can people find it more for mention about you about bit get how can they become clients customers?

[00:30:39] [SPEAKER_00]: How can they do how can they do that?

[00:30:42] [SPEAKER_02]: So you mean how to reach out to big get or me? Yes

[00:30:46] [SPEAKER_02]: your just uh, uh, leave me a telegram

[00:30:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Leave me a message in telegram is fine. And also, uh, you can call uh go to our big get dot com and also

[00:30:56] [SPEAKER_02]: There's a button for the customer surface support and then you can reach out to big get

[00:31:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Also, also you can reach out to me and of course, uh, we will be love to hear our users feedback

[00:31:07] [SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, and we will try to get improved all of our products and also, uh anything you can think of

[00:31:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Awesome. Thank you very much for your time today

[00:31:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you, Jamie